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		<title>By: dewani</title>
		<link>http://www.protocolostomy.com/2010/01/21/intro-to-python-101-for-beginners/comment-page-1/#comment-43314</link>
		<dc:creator>dewani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guided me to accomplish my work with fun :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guided me to accomplish my work with fun <img src='http://www.protocolostomy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike.G</title>
		<link>http://www.protocolostomy.com/2010/01/21/intro-to-python-101-for-beginners/comment-page-1/#comment-37987</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike.G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@m0j0 - I hope you don&#039;t think I was criticizing you, I simply said that the tutorial (IMO) is a far cry from a beginner read - that&#039;s all. What have I tried, well, I have read anything that Google pulls up - you know the links, anyone who does a search for Python will see them. My main complaint is the offerings are either too simple or too complicated, &#039;hello world&#039; with a widget or developing emol!. 

My &#039;wish&#039; - the people who are truly interested in recruiting newcomers to the world of programming would help in clearing away some of the clutter, not add to it - there is too much info to siphon through - have you looked at the package index lately? I&#039;m not sure anyone with zero experience would know what package they may want to use in a new (first) app, and I don&#039;t believe I have read anything that helps with assembling the right tools or making this kind of decision, of course if you have experience then &quot;they&quot; send you to the &#039;package&#039; index, btw, it may be larger than the Library of Congress.  

I read a bit about GUIs, both PyGTK and Boa Constructor were mentioned, but it looks as if they have been abandoned, as far as I can tell there hasn&#039;t been news for either in a few years - I see this a often, abandoned efforts.

I have seen in the MS VS world efforts to include newbies into a project from scratch, so they can be in on the creation of a new app, from &#039;idea&#039; to &#039;end user&#039; - I wish an effort like this was available to a person with zero experience - using Python. I do like the wxPython crowd, the IRC channel is great, also, the blogs (including yours) are helpful. I recently registered for the Python Tutor mail list.

Bottom line, there are millions of bits and pieces that one can read and glean the greatness and usability of Python, but putting it together, the newcomer is left awash in a thousand options and no clue where to start - well, &#039;hello world&#039; - of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@m0j0 &#8211; I hope you don&#8217;t think I was criticizing you, I simply said that the tutorial (IMO) is a far cry from a beginner read &#8211; that&#8217;s all. What have I tried, well, I have read anything that Google pulls up &#8211; you know the links, anyone who does a search for Python will see them. My main complaint is the offerings are either too simple or too complicated, &#8216;hello world&#8217; with a widget or developing emol!. </p>
<p>My &#8216;wish&#8217; &#8211; the people who are truly interested in recruiting newcomers to the world of programming would help in clearing away some of the clutter, not add to it &#8211; there is too much info to siphon through &#8211; have you looked at the package index lately? I&#8217;m not sure anyone with zero experience would know what package they may want to use in a new (first) app, and I don&#8217;t believe I have read anything that helps with assembling the right tools or making this kind of decision, of course if you have experience then &#8220;they&#8221; send you to the &#8216;package&#8217; index, btw, it may be larger than the Library of Congress.  </p>
<p>I read a bit about GUIs, both PyGTK and Boa Constructor were mentioned, but it looks as if they have been abandoned, as far as I can tell there hasn&#8217;t been news for either in a few years &#8211; I see this a often, abandoned efforts.</p>
<p>I have seen in the MS VS world efforts to include newbies into a project from scratch, so they can be in on the creation of a new app, from &#8216;idea&#8217; to &#8216;end user&#8217; &#8211; I wish an effort like this was available to a person with zero experience &#8211; using Python. I do like the wxPython crowd, the IRC channel is great, also, the blogs (including yours) are helpful. I recently registered for the Python Tutor mail list.</p>
<p>Bottom line, there are millions of bits and pieces that one can read and glean the greatness and usability of Python, but putting it together, the newcomer is left awash in a thousand options and no clue where to start &#8211; well, &#8216;hello world&#8217; &#8211; of course.</p>
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		<title>By: m0j0</title>
		<link>http://www.protocolostomy.com/2010/01/21/intro-to-python-101-for-beginners/comment-page-1/#comment-37964</link>
		<dc:creator>m0j0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike.G -- anyone who has used any technology for some time eventually falls out of touch with what it&#039;s like to be completely new to it. And since newcomers are, by definition, new, they don&#039;t always even know what questions to ask. This forms a bit of a chasm between those that could help and those that need it, but I do my best by putting as much information out there as I can. So there&#039;s my offering. If it doesn&#039;t suit you, then you need to do *your* part and let me know where things fall short. 

This blog post was based on my own experiences being a newbie. When I was a newbie, I inserted myself into email threads and irc conversations, read everything I could about Python, and most importantly I hacked continuously and broke things mercilessly. From those experiences I was able to form questions that actually furthered my knowledge of Python, and I fed that new knowledge back into my hacking. That process basically still continues today. 

So what are your questions? What have you tried? There are lots of resources out there which contain answers, but you still are ultimately responsible for the question!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike.G &#8212; anyone who has used any technology for some time eventually falls out of touch with what it&#8217;s like to be completely new to it. And since newcomers are, by definition, new, they don&#8217;t always even know what questions to ask. This forms a bit of a chasm between those that could help and those that need it, but I do my best by putting as much information out there as I can. So there&#8217;s my offering. If it doesn&#8217;t suit you, then you need to do *your* part and let me know where things fall short. </p>
<p>This blog post was based on my own experiences being a newbie. When I was a newbie, I inserted myself into email threads and irc conversations, read everything I could about Python, and most importantly I hacked continuously and broke things mercilessly. From those experiences I was able to form questions that actually furthered my knowledge of Python, and I fed that new knowledge back into my hacking. That process basically still continues today. </p>
<p>So what are your questions? What have you tried? There are lots of resources out there which contain answers, but you still are ultimately responsible for the question!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike.G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike.G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish you would elaborate on how you define - beginner. I&#039;m a beginner to Python (specifically) and programming in general. I have tried multiple times to get through the so-called &quot;Python Tutorial&quot; and it has accomplished one thing only, to thoroughly discourage me - too long, too comprehensive - sorry, not for a beginner. Is this the only way to get going in Python - there has to be a better way for real beginners?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish you would elaborate on how you define &#8211; beginner. I&#8217;m a beginner to Python (specifically) and programming in general. I have tried multiple times to get through the so-called &#8220;Python Tutorial&#8221; and it has accomplished one thing only, to thoroughly discourage me &#8211; too long, too comprehensive &#8211; sorry, not for a beginner. Is this the only way to get going in Python &#8211; there has to be a better way for real beginners?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drazick, if you know Matlab, you want to check out www.sagemath.org if you haven&#039;t already.  Both the notebook and interactive shell are python.  Sage includes most or all of the python packages that provide that performance you&#039;ve heard of.

Also, minor typoe in the article: &quot;I’ve seen error at least once...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drazick, if you know Matlab, you want to check out <a href="http://www.sagemath.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.sagemath.org</a> if you haven&#8217;t already.  Both the notebook and interactive shell are python.  Sage includes most or all of the python packages that provide that performance you&#8217;ve heard of.</p>
<p>Also, minor typoe in the article: &#8220;I’ve seen error at least once&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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